Shadows On High: It's 3 am; Fear & Ohio's Swing Voters

[Note: I started this column on Tuesday while polls were opened. This is meant as an analysis piece and not in support of any candidate.]

It’s a dirty little secret. The thing most folks don’t understand about Midwesterners.

We whisper about those things that make us uncomfortable.

You saw no knock-down drag out discussion about race and gender politics in Ohio’s primary as you did in South Carolina. But it’s there. It may not be correct – but Midwesterners are no different in their inner psychology than southerners. We just don’t talk about it. We whisper our irrational fears and true prejudices. We talk behind closed doors – or worse – we hold the deepest darkest of unpopular thoughts under lock and key. We don’t show our fears, but we sure as hell vote them.

Fear – not change – is once again the root of Ohio’s 2008 zeitgeist. Without fear there is no hunger for change. Fear is the underlying neurosis of our inner dissatisfaction with our government, the energy which makes us crave change. Without fear, there is no neutron in the chemical reaction of political change.

Fear of terror. Fear of the cost of the War in Iraq. Fear of the bloodshed and uncertainty of radical Al Qaeda. Fear of the politicians without answers.

Like it or not, if there is a turning point in our national dialogue for change, it was in the Hillary Clinton “It’s 3 a.m. ad’’ released in Ohio on the eve of our primary election.

George Bush rode fear into the White House in 2004. John McCain knows that. If Americans fear terrorism – McCain wins. If Americans fear the economic costs of war or the uncertainty of the “hawkish” and bellicose behavior that led to War – Michelle Obama or Bill Clinton will be redecorating the West Hall. (I’ll let you all fight out Tuesday’s results.)

All you need to do is think back to another Arizona Senator running for President back in 1964 and the fear engendered by Lyndon Johnson’s use of a child with daisies to conjure up fear of a different warmongering Arizona cowboy as President.

Times may change and technology may change but the wiring of the human brain does not. If Lyndon Johnson’s infamous Daisy Girl commercial , Willie Horton in 1988 and the Swift Boat Strategy in 2004 taught America anything about itself, it is that the path to the White House goes straight through the opposition’s strength. Hillary’s “It’s 3 a.m. ad” will likely be that memorable regardless of how her candidacy ends.

Much like Johnny Cochran taught us in the ‘90’s most infamous murder case, you must go right to the juries reasonable doubt—“if the glove don’t fit, you must acquit.” All of which makes Ohio’s primary meaningless to Ohio swing voters – who likely decide this race by focusing their fears and doubts on the losing candidate – fear of terror or fear of war and because of war our biggest fear -- being poor.

That will decide the Presidency in Ohio.



Progressives are hiding from the issue of war

Last week, ProgressOhio partner True Majority launched what it called the Iran Mobile to push back hard on war-mongering that still goes on over lack of evidence of Iran’s nuclear capability and the “hawkish” statements that continue from John McCain and President George W. Bush. Late last January, none other than conservative Pat Buchanan said, “You get John McCain in the White House, and I do believe we will be at war with Iran.”

Yet in that very same vein, in the Columbus suburb of Hilliard, Ohio, the Iran Mobile – a papier-mâché covered bomb with a papier-mâché John McCain riding on the back - pulled up outside a benefit for progressive Columbus radio station WVKO, and promptly got booted and censored.

The owner of the facility hosting the benefit gratis told the radio station the symbol of the group “Notanotherwar.org’s” float was offensive to him. So two kids from Vermont who drove all the way to make their point about war-mongering found themselves kicked out by progressives whose host would give them cover to speak their views indoors, as long as it was not in the light of day.

Worse yet, the next day, the Chair of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party kicked the same float out of the parking lot of the Cuyahoga County Democtratic dinner. Dimora’s aide said he found the float inappropriate. Which makes you scratch your head when you realize that even Pat Buchanan in late January said of McCain and bombing Iran, “that’s one of the things that makes me very nervous about him [McCain].”

When Cleveland’s Jimmy Dimora, refuses to allow discussion of an issue that has Pat Buchanan concerned about John McCain, you have to wonder if Democrats have the stomach to win. Pat Buchanan is more afraid of John McCain than Jimmy Dimora is?

And Ohio’s most powerful Democrat, Ohio Democratic Party Chair Chris Redfern, got put on the hotseat when he skirted the war issue on Chris Matthews’ Hardball show before the Cleveland MSNBC Democratic debate. He told Matthews that in the case of Democratic primary voters, “they know where they stand” on the war. Never mind that they also seemingly know where they stand on the topic of change, health care, Ohio’s economy, NAFTA – but you didn’t see Barak and Hillary shying away from those issues. So why this fear of discussing Iraq, Iran and war-mongering – why is the war so different when it is the dominant foreign policy issue of our day. Do Democrats really think that this decision does not come down to who answers that red phone at 3 a.m.?

The fact of the matter is that somewhere, somebody decided not to talk about Iraq, Iran and the mistakes of the Bush years. And unless Ohio progressives regain that voice – Ohioans will cede the motivation of fear to John McCain’s very able handlers.

POLL: Swing Voters in Ohio want to hear about Iraq

Late last month, ProgressOhio partner U.S. Action released a poll of only swing voters that clearly showcased the frustrations and fears of Americans who are on the fence over the Iraq War.

  • As defining framework for a candidate, an investment agenda works very well. A 58 percent majority describe themselves as at least somewhat more likely to support a candidate for President and Congress in favor of such an investment agenda. Underlying this support is a clear sense that we have had the wrong priorities and that our focus on Iraq – the larger world – has taken away from a focus on our problems at home. These speak to the voters’ overall desire for change and, as important, deliver an implicit criticism of the current government.

The poll, released publicly and in bi-partisan fashion in the Cannon Building of the U.S. House of Representatives, shows the following traits among swing voters:

  • Voters are cynical about candidates for public office who talk about change. On an open-ended inquiry, four in ten voters believe candidates talking about change are just talking politics.
  • Voters’ definition of change shares much with the USAction and USAction Education Fund Agenda. Asked in both open-ended and close-ended format what they mean by “change,” voters tend to stress issues such as health care reform and energy independence, ending the war in Iraq and, of course, the economy.

By a two-to-one margin these voters – not Democrats, liberals or progressives – moderates many of whom are anti-government, believe that America is in a recession. They are also angry – 74 percent consider the country off-track; 67 percent disapprove of the way George W. Bush is doing his job as President.

The battle for the votes of Ohio swing voters comes down to who best defines the word “change.” And while generically, Republicans trail with swing voters on the Presidential races 41- to 34 percent, the Congressional races are fairly competitive at 40 to 38 percent Democratic.

These voters want change because they fear the status quo. George W. Bush’s “cowboy” diplomacy has them more fearful than their ambivalence toward a Congress that just can’t seem to move on their fears over gridlock.

Define change in Ohio or change will define you is essentially what this poll says.

Let the right-wing define fear and change in Ohio and progressives lose

The Greenburg poll was clear – whoever defines change in November wins Ohio swing votes. And whoever reaches the angst of our fear captures change. If anything defined that in Ohio’s primary it was the tremendous surge of young voters participating in the primary campaign on Tuesday.

Swing-voters distrust government – they fear it. They react viscerally to corruption as much as they reacted viscerally to Ronald Reagan’s assault on big-government – that has not changed in Ohio. Their solid Midwestern make-up finds fundamental unfairness in big government and their limited trust in government was eroded by a string of scandals involving people like a GOP-star coin dealer named Noe.

These voters did not trust John Kerry. They allowed Karl Rove and his Swift Boat veterans to dishonor Kerry’s military service. In a contest between a man who fought in Vietnam versus a man who toiled in the National Guard and never saw a rice paddy – the National Guardsman won.

Change is a powerful word – and an even more powerful concept.

But without definition – change can define you as well. That is what happened to John Kerry in Ohio.

What those Vermont kids with their Iran Mobile attempted to tell Ohioans last week, was that John McCain continues to make provocative overtures toward bombing Iran – over intelligence that is eerily similar to that which pointed to the phantom “weapons of mass destruction.”

Ignore the War at Your Own Peril

Democrats ignore the war in Ohio at their own peril – the peril of Ohio swing voters.

Swing voters in this poll fear the lack of attention to what is happening here at home while this war is dragging on in this far away place. They fear for their economic security and they relate to the cost of these decisions about Iraq, Iran and faulty intelligence.

What Hillary’s “Its 3 a.m. ad” captured is the essence of the fear that will decide which change voters will choose in November – whether it is Barak, Hillary or John McCain.

The guttural punch in this ad may not be politically correct on Ohio’s Ed Board pages – but then neither was Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, or Willie Horton, or Daisy girl – and bad editorials aside, their benefactors recovered well in the comfy white confines of Potomacland.

So when you watch the reaction to the censored Iran Mobile, somehow, I’ve gotta believe there is laughter in the right-wing halls of Ohio as they gear up to define fear and change this Fall.

That wasn’t Dr. Strangelove that Jimmy Dimora and WVKO progressive radio allowed to be censored. That was the definition of change. That was the same trepidation and concern voiced by Pat Buchanan in January about John McCain.

Pat Buchanan understood the power of the message on Iran with Americans – eerily similar to the vulnerabilities of Barry Goldwater to Lyndon Johnson. But in our typical Midwestern way – Ohio progressive leaders chose not to define our fears but to banish them – too abrupt – too disturbing – too visceral.

“It's 3 a.m. in America” and who do you want answering the phone? There are only three choices and that is 2008 politically in a nutshell.

And when you really think about it, the jury that will make the decision on whether the gloved hand which answers the phone is a fit, is likely to be Ohio swing voters who are poised as in 2004 to decide who gets the phone bills on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Shh, Shh, Jimmy, Chris, WVKO, guess what – there’s a war going on and it’s costing us at home. People want to know what we intend to do about it.


Reader Comments
  
It's all about fear
By OHliz Mar 7th 2008 at 8:52 am EST
A very good Shadows, even though I disagree with you on the censorship issue, as you know.

Yeah, this time it was Dems playing the role of fearmongers. Too bad, because if you focus on international terrorism, many Ohioans would choose McCain to answer the phone late at night.

As you said, Ohioans fear poverty -- and justifiably so. We will worry about our kids getting enough to eat long before we concern ourselves with overseas conflicts involving a volunteer troops. (And alleged anti-war censorship of two out-of-state guys is pretty much off everyone's radar screen.)

Here's a protest idea: you can keep my rebate check if you end the war now, Congress.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 9:51 am EST
who is trying to add fear to everyone here. You are.

CK
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:01 am EST
AND YOU TOLD ME YOU HAD NO BIAS!
LIAR!
DO YOU WANT AN OJT PRESIDENT OR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE SITUATIONS AND EVENTS WISELY?
YOUR BIAS IS SHOWING! I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO BRING ONLY THE TRUTH TO US. I WANT PROGRESS, I DO NOT WANT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF
ANY CANDIDATES ADS. I AM AN EDUCATED WOMAN WHO INTERPRETS VERY WELL. JUST TELL US YOU HAVE ENDORSED OBAMA AND END YOUR HIDDEN AGENDA.

BP
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By User from Cleveland, OH Mar 7th 2008 at 1:13 pm EST
Thanks for shedding light on how swing voting works. Although I am not anti Hillary, I am pro Obama and I am not so sure I would want Hillary Clinton answering the phone. I am still stinging from her vote to approve going into Iraq in the first place. I also believe that Obama is smart enough, analyical enough, and after reading The Audicity of Hope, discerning enough to answer the phone at 3Am.

It would be nice to see how someone who is not so entrenched in the current system of politics would handle things and create the changes that need to happen to allow us to participate in a global peace and a local solution.
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 1:29 pm EST
I'm sure plenty of people think Hillary, Barak or John McCain should answer the phone. That's the point.

The ad gets to the heart of it.

You shouldn't make assumptions of how I voted.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:02 am EST
Brian: If race should not be an issue,THEN NO CANDIDATE SHOULD EMPLOY IT! All of us have
hopes and dreams. My dad loved Wendall Willke's message, but Roosevelt was the man who could
make it happen. Our country is drowning, our ship is sinking. Let's have a great beach party AFTER
WE MAKE IT TO THE SHORE!

PM
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:06 am EST
That's half the story.

The other half is racism.

Or, conflated: fear of racial justice.

sdf
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:09 am EST
What really led to Senator Clinton's margin of victory in Ohio was the crossover votes. When traditionally Republican counties ran out of Democratic ballots as early as noon, one might suspect that mischief was afoot. One of my sisters lives in Columbus (Franklin County); another sister lives in Lawrence County, a rural region in the southeastern portion of the state. Both are registered Republicans. Each was asked by other Repubicans to get a Democratic party ballot and vote for Clinton, presumably because she was seen by the Republicans as the easier candidate to beat. They refused, but many other Republicans have proudly announced that they did just that. I realize it is certainly legal to vote with either party in a state with an open primary, but I don't understand why virtually no reputable journalist connected with a national news organization has offered any analysis of the crossover voting. Does this mean we have to sit idly by while Republicans choose the Democratic candidate for the fall election?

BB
Good point, BB
By OHliz Mar 7th 2008 at 11:22 am EST
About 69% of Ohio primary voters chose Democratic ballots. We don't really have that many Dems here.
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:17 am EST
Brian: I don't think you are doing ProgressOhio any good with this commentary. I voted for Hillary Clinton absentee before the 3 AM video, and would do it again. I take offense at your commentary, as it appears over the top and spoken as one disappointed that his choice did not win. And yes, I still view myself as a progressive.

EB
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 1:30 pm EST
I'm sure plenty of people think Hillary, Barak or John McCain should answer the phone. That's the point.

The ad gets to the heart of it.

You shouldn't make assumptions of how I voted.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:22 am EST
very large number of Ohio voters voted for Hillary because....THEY HATE HER and they think she will be easiest for McCain to defeat. I saw that with my own eyes as Precinct Judge at the polls.but, you are also right. Fear is a powerful emotion.
Best,

LM
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:30 am EST
i heard people commenting about nafta and the staff memo. kk
  
Brian Rothenberg's "Fear" comments
By Unknown user Mar 7th 2008 at 10:33 am EST
Brian Rothenberg's treatise on "Fear" is the most intelligent description of how Ohio swing voters think. Further, it is absolutely applicable to the great majority of swing voters in America. Rothenberg should be working for the Democratic National Committee in helping to develop our message for the 2008 elections.

We really need America to fear the Iraq war for its costs-human, financial, international relations and all costs.

Henry Jones
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:38 am EST
Ohio is a major disappointment as is the whole Hillary Clinton campaign. If racism is at the root of this, and the statistics don't lie (20% decided on race and 8 of 10 voted for Hillary), your state should be ashamed. Do not place this on the midwest as Obama comes from Illinois where he has received support from white, hispanic, rich and poor voters. This is an Ohio problem --- sorry to say. Hopefully the Democratic Party will overcome this stain on it.

CE
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By User from Dublin, OH Mar 8th 2008 at 9:05 am EST
If you really want to address racism, please comment on the consistant 85-90% African American vote for Obama. If whites were voting for Hillary in those numbers there would be a huge scream of "racism". I guess it doesn't work both ways for some people.
  
Call it an Occupation
By Doug Mar 7th 2008 at 10:41 am EST
I think you make a fundamental mistake saying we are at war. Wars are won and lost whereas Occupaitions are ended. Some people will stick their heads in the sand until their is a victory or defeat.

The troops accomplished their mission---no WMD and Sadam and sons gone. The way to make this an issue is to call for bringing them home and calling for a parade in every town.
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:49 am EST
As a progressive, I'm offended. Your bias to refuse to give Hillary the credit she deserves for connecting w Ohio voters and demonstrating that she is the most capable and electable candidate is obvious. I'm tired of the distortions by the Obama camp and the many dirty politics on that side, including this one. Let's add stealing yard signs, deleting pro-Hillary blogs and bullying children at school whose parents support Clinton to the list.

PVS
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 1:31 pm EST
I'm sure plenty of people think Hillary, Barak or John McCain should answer the phone. That's the point.

The ad gets to the heart of it.

You shouldn't make assumptions of how I voted.
  
your entire premise is flawed
By User from Reynoldsburg, OH Mar 7th 2008 at 10:50 am EST
Nice post and nice analysis one problem, the 3 am ad didn't run in Ohio
Re: your entire premise is flawed
By Liberty Belle Mar 7th 2008 at 11:06 am EST
Here I thought I just didn't see it because I've turned off the boob tube.
  
Tell the truth boldly,
By Liberty Belle Mar 7th 2008 at 10:53 am EST
and this is the feedback?

Hmmm...I expected more out of this "progressive" audience.

Brian, I loved this post, and thought it had many insights to the course of progressive politics. I agree that we must define the change we want to see...not respond to the fear like sheep. WE must boldly stand up to what we oppose--war for 100 years--and say exactly why.

The average American has more likelihood of being involved in a crashing aircraft than a terrorist attack yet the reality of American bankruptcy looms large in the not so distant future due to our irresponsible foreign policies...yet we fight this endless war on a noun...eradicating evil wherever it may hide? No wonder it will take 100 years...but don't progressives think we can come up with a better way to spend all that money? If we can't then let's let Insane McSame answer the phone, but if believe we can do a little better, then get passionately behind the progressive candidates that are defining change...

Candidates like David Robinson are defining what he will do for change and how he will do it...check out his video on his Apollo II vision for America (www.Robinson2008.com).

As for the democratic presidential nominee, if you aren't careful everybody--speaking respectfully about both candidates, there won't be anything left of your party...leaving mr. "bomb, bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" (to the tune of Barbara Anne) to answer the 3 am phone call...and the only thing as scary as that is to look back and know that you in effect stood idly by arguing about the weather!
  
opportunity
By Josh Mar 7th 2008 at 10:57 am EST
Lets start by saying that this article was a pretty decent article Brian. You highlighted several issues that this country is revolving around.

As an Iraq war veteran who spent a year there, I know from experience the real costs of war. I know what this war has cost my friends and family and I know what its costing the American people.

When I left America, a day before my 21st birthday in 2003, I wondered if I would ever return. I left here thinking that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that we were going to fight existing terrorist in Iraq. I was eager to go to defend my country, but honestly, I thought I wasn't ever going to get a chance to stare my mother in the face and tell her that I loved her ever again.

As we know now, the Bush Administration used these very same fear tactics that Brian was talking about back then to invade Iraq, as we are seeing today with the Presidential Campaigns fearful television ads and their misguided speeches.

What we should fear is war in Iran. We should fear the recession that we are embarking upon. We should fear that we are losing our education system and our jobs that we have worked so hard to keep. I say this because many Americans have lost touch with reality. We lost our confidence to stand up to our govt. that we put into power. If we are ever going to regain that control, we have to believe in ourselves that we can make those changes.

I gave a short list of things that we all fear to some extend or another. I should say though, that I refuse to live my life in fear of what another might do to me or what might happen if I dont do what another tells me to.

Lets be real with ourselves. Are we going to vote for 100 more years in Iraq with lost domestic priorities? Are we going to forget about our childrens health care and education? Are we going to lose sight of whats happening to the families in our own communities? Or are we going to stand up to our govt and demand that we want our priorities set on a domestic agenda and progressive national security?

I'll let you answer that...
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 10:59 am EST
Mr. Rothenberg:

I didn't whisper anything during the primary campaign. I told everyone I knew exactly what I thought and how I thought they should vote. And I said it loudly.

I told them that Sen. Obama is one of our party's "Not-Ready-For-Prime-Time Players," to coin a "Saturday Night Live" moniker. I told them that for all of Sen. Obama's considerable qualifications and attributes, we need someone who will seize this moment and pave the way for victories for a generation or more to come, just as President Roosevelt did in the '30s and '40s. That requires someone who is ready on the very first day to tackle the challenges of the office and to motivate and lead the nation.

That person . . . isn't running any more.

But someone very close to his capabilities is . . . and that's Sen. Clinton. "She's my man!"

I told this right to the faces of Obamaniacs. I told this right to the face of party bosses. And now I'm telling you. Not all Ohioans cower between the relatively cozy walls of a voting booth in order to express themselves. Enough do to make your observations valid. In the end, however, I think enough Ohioans finally decided that we cannot take a chance on our standard-bearer's being merely a great campaigner and an accomplished and inspiring orator. What we really need, beyond beating Sen. McCain and seizing back what rightfully should have been ours in 2000, is a President who knows exactly how to get things done and who can surround herself with very capable people who have been around the block a few times . . . and not individuals who will shape foreign policy by confiding in Canadian leaders that what America's leader says publicly should not be believed because "it's just politics" . . . or who will stoop so low as to call one's opponent a "monster" merely because the opponent chose to draw a line in the sand and stop allowing the news to be about how "momentum" has shifted to make the opponent's nomination as inevitable as another's nomination once seemed. Obamaniacs may have their own spin . . . or may conjure ideas of electioneering and crossover voter meddling in our state's primary . . . but in the last analysis, those same Obamaniacs need to take a second look at whether their candidate is ready for prime time just yet. I don't think he is. He's close, but he's not ready yet. Hillary is.

That's my take on it. It's not race. It's not gender. It's not fear. "It's about the economy, Stupid!" And it's about that blasted foreign policy nightmare that Bush and his Henchmen have labeled the "War on Terrorism"! Once the voters focus on the choice between a candidate offering hope that we will extricate ourselves from the Iraq mess as soon as we can reasonably do so and another candidate who would just as soon saddle us with Bush's War for the next hundred years, I'm pretty sure we'll win. But when we do, we'd better have someone in office who can get things done and weather the challenges that the "Loyal Opposition" will throw at her.

And that person, in my humble opinion, shared with everyone I know, is Hillary Clinton.

SW
  
Hillary's experience and why you voted for her
By Josh Mar 7th 2008 at 11:08 am EST
SW, Can you just tell me what experience hillary has that Obama doesn't? I'm just curious. What makes her ready on the first day? What makes her the one that you want answering the phone at 3AM? Enlighten me on yuor views please. I was for Edwards for many reason and he's not running anymore. I just want to hear why you voted for her and not Obama. I would also like to refresh your memory of a young President that we had many years ago. His name was John F Kennedy. He lacked experience, but gave us real hope of change for our future and he is still admired today. I'm just looking for facts. Thats all.
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 11:12 am EST
Well, I didn't vote because of FEAR! I voted because HILLARY R. CLINTON is more qualified for the job. End of story!

MB
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 11:13 am EST
You are right – I voted based on “fear” – fear of voting for an inexperienced and untested politician. I chose Hillary.

WM
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 11:14 am EST
Come on! Fear and Hope are inextricably linked -- it's the ongoing human thang. And, it's as legitimate as asking the right questions about frat-boy George Bush in 2000. Being careful is what responsible adults do. It's not ALL they do, but it's important. This is what the Hillary ad appeals to, and it should be critiqued, without anti-Clinton hysteria, on its own terms.

Grow up, Progressives.

JF
  
"Midwestern"
By jimbobjoe Mar 7th 2008 at 11:40 am EST
This really doesn't change the thesis of your article, but I truly do not believe that there's much about Ohio that's "Midwestern."
I tell people that Ohio is the bastard love child of New Jersey and Tennessee. There's nothing Midwestern about that.
There is however, a lot of Southern in Ohio. A lot of us *are* Southerners.
  
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By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 11:41 am EST
You male "liberals" always manage to find a way to criticize women who reach too high. The sexist smack-down you guys have tried on Senator Clinton is way out of line.

BAC
I can relate to your comment, BAC
By OHliz Mar 7th 2008 at 1:20 pm EST
I really admire Sen. Clinton, but Obama engages more people. To me, she represents Old School.

I know what you mean about sexist male "liberals" who really are deeply prejudiced, but I haven't witnessed that here.
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By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 1:33 pm EST
I'm sure plenty of people think Hillary, Barak or John McCain should answer the phone. That's the point.

The ad gets to the heart of it.

You shouldn't make assumptions of how I voted.
  
Ohio Politics As Unsual
By User from Findlay, OH Mar 7th 2008 at 11:59 am EST
It is time we held political campaigns to principles consistent with our interests as the voting public. That is what we should expect of ourselves, but

Now, we know better. Through tactics Xeroxed out of Karl Rove’s playbook, we have reminded ourselves that real politics is played upon the fears, prejudices, and the latent bigotry that shadows our past and threatens to condemn our future. On March 4, 2008, far too many Ohio votes were based on a politic of fear at 3 am; jobs lost through NAFTA and the fiction of executive leadership. We somehow mistake the direction of our fears and faults as the direction of leadership. In this, we are uncomfortably reminded that what is necessary to succeed politically is to call upon the perverse propensities of a negative campaign. In the aftermath, voters are left used rather than energized and renewed in a unity of patriotic vision. Of course, candidates move on.

There remains a part of our voting consciousness that derives pleasure in the toxic spew of politicos who may carelessly poison the great wellspring of a new generation inspired after years of irresponsible divisiveness. It is all too apparent that some politicians will do nearly anything to win a nomination even if an attack made now may be redirected more destructively in the fall. Ohio voters are challenged to find one meaningfully addressed issue in the wake of the all the appearances, speeches and challenges for substance that filled primary campaigns in the state. We lost the great ideals and optimism many once found in the 2008 Presidential campaigns. Once again, we have stripped away the thin veil of innocence held at the forefront of campaigns to revealed the truth that we are no more than what we may aspire to be and while we do, we can be made less by words. We are made less when reminded that we are at times the people we would wish not to be.

Is it not fair to ask who may have lost in the divisive attacks that so repulse parts of the electorate that they chose to vote against rather than for a candidate. We are promised that each and every one of us must now plan to be exposed to a “fuller vetting process.” Perhaps we in the electorate have been vetted enough and it is time to separate leadership from division, direction rather than destruction and vision from vetting. Must we now expect candidates to follow principles of attack as substitute for political leadership. A call for change becomes perverted into politics as usual. Politics without a continuous focus on solving issues for "We the People . . ." becomes distorted into a stark reminder that dividing voters means victory. The politicos move on, promises are made and left without substance, and the voting electorate is left divided. We learn that politicos promise much, attack what is promised and solve nothing.

Perhaps we will have leadership again, the kind of leadership that seeks more actual jobs in Ohio not words that remind us of jobs lost; control of prospective utility rate increases rather than the mere recognition of increased costs; support of our teachers and education for our children; meaningful legislation to address the mounting tragedy of home foreclosures or programs that establishes additional funds to assure warmth for those who face ever harsher winter weather without heat. Is it possible to remember now whether these issues were addressed? Perhaps fear adds a level of warmth to a child of unemployed parents shivering without heat in a home subject to foreclosure. Perhaps we again need a leadership that can direct a unified political party and assist the legislature to focus on serving the people of this state rather than use them for the prurient purposes of political pandering. Perhaps we now need leaders less smeared by the remnants of divisive words silently endorsed with a healing brought by reaching out to others with open hands focused on service.

We must rise above the words and divisive manipulation of political candidates. We must rise above the threat of our own fears to live meaningful lives in service to our families, our communities and our country. It is shameful that we have to endure the message of our politicians and it is us who must now rise above it. Perhaps there is a thought that we will all just forget and consider politics as usual as – politics as usual. I chose to hope for a light in each of us that calls us to a higher aspiration. Would we not all be better people for it?
Re: Ohio Politics As Unsual
By LV Mar 9th 2008 at 2:27 pm EDT
I totally agree with all of these philosophies.
Its Palpable (to those of us whom have not ‘turned a blind eye’).

Clearly you filter through the rhetoric.
Bravo!
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 12:24 pm EST
Your piece is rotten. The phone ad was fair campaigning.. To compare it with Swift Boat and Willie Horton is not.
Clinton uses Republican tactics
By Doug Mar 7th 2008 at 1:13 pm EST
Fear is a Republican tactic.

Democrats should remember that we're the Land of the Free because we're the Home of the Brave.
  
No fear factor
By User from Dublin, OH Mar 7th 2008 at 1:11 pm EST
Wow! What a way to try to cram all Ohioans into one group. Let's be clear....neither I nor anyone I know voted for Hillary Clinton out of fear, or because of negative campaigning. I voted early and feel strongly about my vote. Joe Biden was my original choice, but since he is no longer an option I voted for the person I feel is most qualified and will do the best job. Although Senator Obama is charismatic and his speeches are wonderful (if you don't have to listen to too many) I don't feel he is ready to take on the most important job in the world. It as simple as that. I have voted for a democrat every election, save one, and if Obama is the candidate this year I may stay home, or write in a candidate. I agree with some of the other comments.....you should simply state your backing of Obama and leave it at that.
Re: No fear factor
By Doug Mar 7th 2008 at 1:22 pm EST
It's reasonable to think that Clinton is more capable for the job.

But she is hitting below the belt to say that McCain and her are experienced but Obama is not. It's bad for the Dem Party, the country, and herself.

Obama has as much foreign policy experience as many presidents had when they took office----Clinton, Lincoln, Reagan, Carter, JFK to name a few.
Re: No fear factor
By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 1:29 pm EST
I'm sure plenty of people think Hillary, Barak or John McCain should answer the phone. That's the point.

The ad gets to the heart of it.

You shouldn't make assumptions of how I voted.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 1:14 pm EST
Brian,
Could you appeal to Obama to make drive home the reality that voting for Clinton is NOT change as she IS part of the Washington elite. Also, she has vulnerable scars from the past and they could trigger her to continue the polorization that has plagued D.C. for two decades!.

BO
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 3:46 pm EST
I don't know what this is about. Are you pushing Obama or what? Didn't
he say Bill Clinton had to "dance like a brother"? There is plenty of
nonsense to go around.
I like both candidates but I prefer Hillary Clinton because of her
experience and because my Republican relatives in New York think she's a
great senator. Get it? I'm *tired of being insinuated a racist* just
because I happen to prefer the first serious female candidate ever--the
one who happens to have more White House experience than anyone else
running. I've supported MoveOn forever, but I quit over this issue, and
I feel like quitting your group too.

JS
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 3:53 pm EST
I find your email right up there with Willie Horton , Daisy Girl and Swift Boat, not the Hillary Clinton ad. I am not afraid of legitiment information or having choices and I believe I can discern legitiment information without self-described experts believing they have to clarify and explain it to their way of thinking. What is fearful to me is having people like you, who are in a position to influence and inform, use that position to permote their own bias. The thing maybe you don't understand about midwesterners is that we are not dumb bumpkins and are quite capable of thinking and figuring out things for ourselves and not as easily dupped as perhaps you think we are. You are not the last word on any issue and I find your "periodic musings" self-serving and arrogant. Please don't send anymore of them to me. You should be using your time and influence to promote unity within the democratic party regardless of who wins the nomination. There was a woman on Charlie Rose Tuesday night saying that if Clinton got the nomination the afro-american community may sit out the election. If Obama gets the nod, should the Clinton supporters sit it out? Those two scenarios are really scarry. That is something to be really afraid of. Those are the type of issues you should be your time and influence on.

MK
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 4:04 pm EST
I'm a born and bred midwesterner.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 4:20 pm EST
Brian,

I bet the real difference in the vote in Ohio and Texas was that Republicans voted for Clinton. The law should not allow this, but it does. Just one more thing that needs to be rectified before we can have real change.

RS
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 4:25 pm EST
I WANT HILLARY AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS> I DO NOT WANT A NEOPHYTE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. i WANT A HILLARY PR-BARACK VP TICKET. IT IS REAL FOR ME AND I AM VERY EDUCATED. SO STOP HILLARY BASHING

RD
Re: Comment Received Via Email
By Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director Mar 7th 2008 at 4:37 pm EST
Again, there was no Hillary bashing. Your making presumptions. If anything this was more about McCain.

I do have to point out though having read all these threads that Hillary supporters have got to lighten up a bit. If anything I indicated that her commercial will be the operative question in the Fall.

Don't find enemy's where you don't have any.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 4:49 pm EST
Sorry - I think you're wrong! Many people in my area had already made up their mind. Not everyone saw that add - and it WAS NOT a scare tactic.

PS
  
For what it's worth...
By Lorraine Bieber Mar 7th 2008 at 5:45 pm EST
I just want to say I work directly with Brian Rothenberg every day, I consider him both a colleague and a friend, and yet I still don't know who the heck the guy voted for in Tuesday's primary.

One thing is certain: today's column, written from the perspective of a professional with many years of experience in political communications, got many of us talking about the role fear may or may not play in the 2008 election.

As such -- nice job Brian, and bravo to Progress Ohio's readership for coming forward with the diverse and often insightful opinion and analysis we see on this page. Let's keep it going, team.
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 7th 2008 at 6:55 pm EST
I noted many Republican neighbors of mine voting at my polling place. When I asked some of them why they asked for Democrat ballots, they weakly explained that they used to be Democrats. The Plain Dealer of 3/5/2008 ran a story about this and looking at the map of counties it was odd to see the results reflecting the exact outcome of the last Bush election. Did the much hated Hillary who galvanizes the Republican side to voted for her over Obama since they think this will rally the troops and raise more money?

DF
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 8th 2008 at 12:07 pm EST
Great message, Brian - well thought out.

By the way, I believe Pat Buchanan is more centrist than right-wing conservative - discard the label and actually listen to/read what he's saying. Don't be too alarmed if you find yourself agreeing with much of what he says.

BR
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 9th 2008 at 11:03 am EDT
Yeh, well . . . the biggest "fear" I have is the prospect of a president in office who doesn't have the experience to do the job. Barack Obama is the "man behind the curtain" who uses smoke and mirrors (i.e. rhetoric and false hope) to play on our desperate need for "real change." In office, he'll be just like the Wizard of Oz when the balloon took off without Dorothy i.e. . . . "I don't know how it works!" I'm not sure from your editorial which candidate ProgressOhio supports, but if it's Obama, you're feeding the frenzy of "false hope," which is all he has to offer.

DS
  
Civil Mayhem
By LV Mar 9th 2008 at 1:25 pm EDT
Latest News: I'm nauseous over the 'Wicked Games' that some people play.♥ On your dais, in your charade, your wretched phantom bleeds in my soul!

Don't bother me with your rhetoric! 'I'm a fusion of Alice & .Dorothy I have my looking glass, and my vision is lucid. A thief stole my Ruby Slippers!
Home is where your heart is. My heart is sequestered in Crystals, inlaid with Sapphires, Ruby's, Diamonds, and Pearls.
It is swathed, and buried with the key, deep in the ground, forevermore.' :( ...

Favorite Quote: 'Life's too brief for these wicked games. Kiss, affectionately. Laugh, Enthusiastically. Love, intensely & faithfully, with all of your heart♥ , mind, body, and Soul, eternally.'
Copyright ãLori Valentine 1987
All rights reserved.

Excerpt from Civil Mayhem
'Everyone should be treated Equal, and no one should be deprived of their autonomy.
Greed, treachery, fuses their hypocrisy, dovetails their bigotry, disappointments distressing the balance of our lives. Sheer tyranny taking a devastating toll, our world was about to change, forever.

We believed in a system that is supposed to be fair, and just. In verity our system is Corrupt, and there are some are some extremely wealthy "powerful men" who are the Oppressors, which dominate it.
Our Society has yet to realize the palpable malice, and the full ramifications of this Debacle.' I choose liberty.
Copyright ã 1987-1997- 2008 Lori Valentine
All rights reserved.


Clearly, we wouldn’t want a novice answering that call!
  
Spin vs. Reality
By User from Bradford, ME Mar 10th 2008 at 9:20 am EDT
Look. We're all here because we're more involved than the average voting citizen. We read more, we research, we don't simply take the headlines off the tv and vote according to what our Fox News Special Reporters tell us. That said, we all know the track records and the messages issued by each of these candidates. Each brings something to the table or they wouldn't be in a starring role on the playing field.

That said, our election system is truly nothing other than a job interview for the MOTHER of all jobs in this country. I've hired people and fired people before. If a job applicant were to sit before me and say, "I can bring hope and change. I have a couple of years experience and I think you should take a chance on me because of my positive attitude," vs. "I can bring change because I've been in the trenches in the Senate for as long as my opponent BUT, I was also a member of many committees that worked one-on-one with the heads of other nations, with health industry professionals and with top educators." Who would you select to hire?

Brian, no offense, you make excellent points in your articles every day but, to say that there isn't at least a slant in this particular piece is slightly less than honest. Really, and you're wondering why the Cllinton fans are taking offense? Really?! Now, come on!

Bottom line, if one of these people wants the job as the "CEO" of the country and I'm the person who decides who to hire, I am not basing my decision on their sex, or their race. One friend told me that they were going to give "the brother" a chance for a change. Is that affirmative action, then?

Why don't we give the keys to the corporate jet to the person with the most experience? The person who has admitted that yes, they've made a few decisions that haven't been the best BUT, they actually made choices while their opponent spent their first year in the Senate speaking last in group situations to see how their vote should be cast or didn't speak at all for fear they were making the wrong decisiions publicly. My choice goes with someone who has experience in getting jobs done, not just in marketing, spin and creating great "messages." Hope and change are great ideas, when they're paired with experience and lack of fear to take a stand on an issue.

By the way, people can see the 3 a.m. ad as fear mongering, but, it is important that whoever picks up the phone at that hour in the morning will make a decision that might later be seen as unpopular. Only one Dem has gone on the record as being willing to do that!
  
Comment Received Via Email
By Dave Harding, ProgressOhio Mar 10th 2008 at 1:32 pm EDT
your fear of females over 50 is showing. I'm not afraid of Hillary, I don't think we deserve that much competence though. We've treated her like dirt. She has my vote, and I don't operate outof fear.

TJ

over fifty, over educated, pissed off at the way older women are treated in this culture.
  




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